32 thoughts on “Mr. Martin Ngatia Speaks About Ocampo Six and ICC”
The Kenyan ICC Ocampo’s case has proved to us that Kibaki is the one who authorised the chaos to be in the Country.If not so Why is he holding on the six mentioned by Waki Commission report through Ocampo? He may be worried because they will name him at Hague.If he pulls out from ICC then it means he want Kenyans to prepare for Civil War.
Everything was planned at state -houseand Muthaura was taking the minutes ,and for mr Ocampo naming Muthaura that means he is naming Kibaki on the other hand whatever was said discussed at state-hose is in the tapes hence wire tappings (eavesdrops) etcso the ceacer (kaiser is left stark naked.
What a shame that Amos Wako is seeking taxpayers’ money to finance the legal expenses of Francis Muthaura and Ali, the former police boss.Mr. Ngatia continue telling the truth.
Attorney-General Amos Wako has written to Treasury requesting funds for the legal defence of two of the six Ocampo suspects.
Nation sources said that the decision to pay the legal costs for Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura and Postmaster-General Hussein Ali was allegedly reached at a Cabinet meeting in December last year.
The Nation has not seen a copy of the letter and Mr Wako could not be reached for comment but the sources, who are privy to Cabinet proceedings, said Mr Wako’s letter was dated December 29.
Opinion in government is sharply divided with some opposed to the use of public funds for the defence of criminal matters and others arguing that Civil Service regulations obligate the government to do so.
On Thursday, Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Mutula Kilonzo opposed the use of taxpayers’ money arguing that the two officials are being sued in their private capacities.
Am glad Mutula Kilonzo is a born again judicial reformist who lately gives leadership on legal matters.I support him for disagreeing with Alfred Mutua and Amos Wako when it comes to using public money to support Muthaura’s and Ali’s ICC case.The ICC provides money to those that are unable to meet their defence expenses so I wonder why the poor Kenyan taxpayer should be tortured into paying for these hyenas.Glad also that Martha Karua is telling them the truth. Legal fees are paid by the ICC so hiyo nyingine ni takataka ya kumwibia mlipa ushuru!!!!!Now the MPs are roaming all over Africa seeking support to pull out of the ICC.Alfred Mutua is an asshooooole! http://www.nation.co.ke/
The six Kenyans mentioned by Waki Commission report through Moreno Ocampo to face ICC Hague Case are now open to reveal the perpetrators of violence of 2007/08. Mutula is right to come out from those planning to withdraw from Rome Statute Law.Wako as a Government Adviser has failed the Country’s fame.Now even a fool can know that Government participated in killings. How can Kibaki shield Muthaura and Ali? Were they instructed by Government to act that offence or are they who planned for Kibaki to be Sworn in at night without all Kenyans witnessing at Uhuru Park at day time as usual? Is Kibaki worried to be named by the six or what is his roll to involve the Government to pay for their legal fees? Those are the questions we are asking to be told.Let the ICC prove them innocence, but not MPs and Government, unless you are part of them.
Ngatia YOU ARE COURAGEOUS!! Keep it up man… You are the kind of Kenyans we need… if only 15% of Kenyans were like you, then Kenya would be VERY DIFFERENT….
Six must go to ICC we know kenya can prosecute those suspect.But it what to show the world Africans can solve their problems if left alone. that is right to me but dont forget we know that kenya is failare state coz if mps could me left vote they could disband it.
Mr Lois Moreno Ocampo has done a very credible job and let us not forget everything happened in Kenya crisis is well documented through Videos cameras etc Muthaura and ali will spill the beans let them appear in Hague court and the end of the day the Big oldman sitting in State-House will curse the day he joined kenya dirty politics!
First of all I thank you Okoth Osewe, Maina Kiai and Martin Ngatia to come up with awareness in our society in Kenya. Kenyans in Colonial ara were very friendly peaceful people we worked together as Kenyans even Ugandans,Tanzanians when it was called Tanganyika in East Africa by then we were very good people in relationship,and people were identified by their tribes and no one questioned why you are in this tribe In all these Countries have tribes. In Uganda you can hear Mutoro,Munyangole, Mugisu,etc. In Kenya Mukamba, Mujaluo, Muluhyia,Mukikuyu, Mumaasai,Mukalenjin,etc.In Tanzania, Munyamwezi,Musuba,Mu-Zanzibar, Musanaki,etc. We did not have problems with tribes because no one chose to be born in any tribe but you find yourself that you were born in one of those tribes what will you do?
Where can you take those tribes away? I have repeatedly written in my comments in every paper Locally and Internationally saying the problems we have in Kenya is Land issue which was started by the first President Jomo Kenyatta, then President Daniel arap Moi who followed in the form of Nyayo, Nyayo means to follow where the first one was going and do the same. Now President Mwai Kibaki cheated Kenyans that he will change the whole system in to good transparent way but he changed to be the most champion of all types of cleverness for looting the Country and allowed his Ministers to follow suit and then kept quiet so that the foolish Kenyans and International bodies should not blame him. Whom was he cheating? IMF and World Bank to tell them that our Economy is now growing very first, and yet the money from those bodies to settle IDPs were being pocketed by individuals in the Government? Is that not the highest Corruption in the World? Turkanas are dying of hunger in Northern Kenya but leaders are pocketing money to prepare for 2012 election.How can you call such leaders to be?
I said several times that to solve the Kenyans problems is to identify the tribes and respect each other, being from Western,Nyanza,Rift Valley, Central, Coast, North Eastern,Eastern and Nairobians so that one can be free to welcome his or her friend from a such region. That will bring peaceful life in Kenya than an imposition of peace where there is no peace. When we talk about Majimbo some people translate it to be chaos and yet there is already chaos. What is the differences between Majimbo and Provinces? If you ask me that are you from Western Province,can I be ashame of that? Who left his Province and interfered with other Provinces? That is what I call “Imposition” to put or mix people together when you very well know that we defer in culture and customs but we are all Kenyans.Has anybody came from North Eastern to fight with some one from Western Province? No, we welcome all friends from any part of Kenya. Now how many tribes are operating Business in Central Province? Some one somewhere should do that research and tell Kenyans the truth. Why Central Province does not want any one from other region to do Business in their region? Is that tribalism or how can we call it?
Now the ICC Hague case of six mentioned, should face the case and Hague will prove them innocence or guilty or else the whole World will know that Kibaki authorised them to do that action of killing the innocence people.Waki commission report did mentioned the individuals to answer the question, now how can the entire Government and Cabinet shield the two and yet by the time of that violence every body was in election except the electoral Commission was the only body to deal with election.Why Kibaki is not cooperating with ICC to fire those mentioned as individuals? Why Muthaura and Ali? What did he Kibaki know about them as individuals? Ocampo should not waste time waiting the Government to help, but should get summons as soon as possible and take those mentioned to ICC Hague.The pictures of those women we are seeing complaining who will safe them if Ocampo can not act quickly? Those MPs who are trying to block are one of those mentioned and Ocampo should deal with the first lot and then we shall know the rest.
In general views for Kenyans as a country, we should not waste time talking about Ocampo and ICC Hague case,and MPs or Muthaura and Ali and others but it is a time to ask ourselves why the President Chaired a meeting in State House where the second command was assigned to target other tribes after the Eldoret incident? Why is he putting the entire Government to pay the legal frees to the mentioned two out of the six people? He should sack the immediately without wasting people time, or he can avail himself to go to Hague to answer the questions. We don’t want to hear from people like Alfred Mutua or Wako to take Kenyans around like there is no any thinkers in Kenya?
When we watch the pictures which were taken by the observers of election live by then, all Kenyans must say No to Kibaki’s roll and let him cooperate with Hague ICC Ocampo’s agrrement. People died, people were displaced lost their properties and after three years nothing has been done for them but to hide money outside of Kenya by individuals waiting for another incident in 2012 election. Are Kenyans seeing or they have been blinded by corruption. The Government should be taken to Hague because it knows very well what it did. Right now there is nothing in a new constitution when the same people are infront to implement it.How can you implement yourself? Don’t be fooled by empty words of hope. The present Parliament is being run by the same killers.So dont expect any changes untill these group goes out from power.
If the Government is not carering for the victims of the event then let it take them back to their lands then we can know that it can solve the problems by itself.Otherwise we don’t want any violence again. We don’t have some thing called Courts in Kenya.My comment is the six should go to Hague without any delaying tactics we know.
In Kenya the Majimbo Government will end all these nonsense we are having now. Whoever says Majimbo are going to devide Kenyans is a fool,I mean totally a fool ten times. Why am I saying all these harsh words?
1. Kenya had Majimbo from the beginning in Colonial ara and after Independence namely Provinces with defferent 42 tribes. Is that true or not true?
2. After Independence we named them as
follows;
(1) Western Province for Luhya and Teso
tribes,Is that true or not true?
(2) Nyanza Province for Luo and Kisii,
Kuria tribes,Is that true or not true?
(3) Rift Valley Province for Kalenjins and
Maasai tribes, Is that true or not true?
(4) Central Province for Kikuyus tribe alone,
Is that true or not true?
(5) Coast Province for Swahili mixed up
with Arabs tribes, Is that true or not
true?
(6) Eastern Province for Akamba tribe,
Is that true or not true?
(7) North Eastern Province for Kenyan Somalis
and Borana tribes,Is that true or not
true?
(8) Amendment of Cosmopolitan for Nairobian
tribes,Is that true or not true?
Those are the tribes of Kenyans known Locally and Internationally even in the Maps of the World.Now Which tribes are people talking about to destroy Kenyans,In which area do they come from? We did not have any quarrel with one another in those Provinces for many years or for any reason or fighting for Lands except to check the boundaries surrounding Kenya. Then the question is this;
Who changed our good relationship of tribes in Kenya? Answer is Jomo Kenyatta,Why to crape Lands every where.Why should a Province talk about another Province which it does not belong to?
If there is any quarrel it should be for clans within its Province but not outside its region. Are the learned friends who calls themselves Professors of Laws see this point or deny this in Kenyan laws? Is this truth or lies? Why should we keep on singing peace which will never be there to our children for coming generations? Why to put them in darkness without telling them the truth of the matter about the tribal standard in Kenya. Can you change me not to be a Luhya or a Luo or Kikuyu of which language is spoken in every office in Kenya than the National language Swahili? What are you showing us to understand or know? Who is a fool in Kenya to be blinded by blanket peace? Amend the Land issue to go by Majimbo (Provinces) in this new Constitution to be the first thing when the MPs start to implement the New Constitution in Majimboism Government,otherwise you are sharpenning the sword which will eliminate the Nation of Kenya. Believe me or don’t believe me but some of you will seek refugee out side Kenya.My comments should be noted as prophecy to come. Any leader in Kenya should note it down or ignore it as a useless thing.This prophecy does not need any translation whether you pray in toungs or not or you talk to Angels of Heaven in any denomination you may belong to, but this is Peter L.Akhonya’s prophecy as well as Comments to happen soon in Kenya if you don’t enact Majimbo in your Laws in the new Constitution.To plan for 2012 is for villages but not for Presidency of Kenya.One day God will save Kenyans.
There is one question Kenyans should ask; Where was the Professors of Research in Political Sciences or any laws when Kenya was burning in 2007/08 violence to stop what Ocampo is now doing in Kenya?
Who calmed the situation? Kenyans or International bodies when people were being killed on the streets,homes burned, some displaced up to this moment,and yet Kenyan Government was there to solve itself? Did it manage to stop the violence? How many people died and how many are still displaced at this moment while the Government is in power?
Why should Kenyans listen to Professors who teach Theory but not Practical lives of people? Who suffered in those violence of 2007/08? Did it happen or it did not? What made Koffi Annan to come to Kenya, and to do what? Where did Koffi Annan came from? Where were Kenyans to solve that problems itself? Those are the simple questions people should ask those leaders going around to pull out from ICC or may be no body died during that time and 2012 will be ok?
Those people defending those mentioned are playing money games because they don’t care about the plight of those who suffered and those who lost their lives.To them they don’t see any wrongs done, but are eyeing the 2012 election to be Presidents only.
I have a hidden painful truth which I want Uhuru Kenyatta to know and should ask Kenyans to forgive him all evils which his father might have done to Kenyans so that he can ask them about his intention of being in leadership otherwise he is campaigning to be the Kikuyu leader but not Kenyans President.That is my hidden truth I wanted to tell Uhuru Kenyatta and his supporters to know and note it down.
When Kenya Government agreed to sign on International ICC Rome Statute Laws, it had checked itself to be on International level, and the Learned Friends (Lawyers) were there to read the contents therein Amos Wako the Government Adviser was there and all shook their heads to show that it was right for Kenya to be on that level Internationally. Now foolishly enough the same learned friends are shooking the same heads which studied the Rome Statute Law to be now wrong? How much loughable International and Locals can lough? Do you want people to break their lungs and rips in loughing your foolishness? I am here already loughing those corrupt heads changing to what they did.Ashame to them.
Kenya is on the International level because it get aids from IMF & World Bank for its operations. Is that true or not true? To withdraw from International body because you want to steal money and remain in impunity and dynasty plus corruption will not work simply because Kenyans have now known their enemy No.1 in leadership of Kenya.
The way President and his team are showing the World is that the Government knew what it did and is feeling to be guilty. Otherwise The Government should show the World by sacking the mentioned six and cooperate with ICC to do its work,and from there we shall know that Kenya is now mature to be on International level standard,if not so then we are facing destruction wnere the rich and poor will all be consumed in the same Hell.
Jeff Koinages’s attempt to coin a conspiracy theory on ICC and Ocampo is absolute hogwash because Kenya had an option of setting up a local tribunal and failed. ICC was a Court of last resort and only became problematic when six suspects were named.
A good leader listen to what people says about him. Jesus asked his disciples to go and hear what people are talking or saying about him and his dealings. William Ruto has failed in his dealings. Ruto instead of playing a low profile, he chose to use forces because there is a saying that says money speaks, Yes money can speak and make you climb up on top of the mountain, and the same money can make you fall from the mountain.So money is a two edged sword which cuts both sides.
Ruto was in ODM Party as Deputy Chairman and knew very well how the votes were stollen, and knew that Raila was not the President to give everything to all of his members.Fortunately Raila worked hard to appoint him in the very Big Ministry of Agriculture which feeds the entire country with food, but still claimed that he had nothing from ODM and yet he earns his living from the same ODM that is point number 1.
Ruto ignored the party rules and became disobedient and started his own ways and made divisions in the party. Ruto started campaigning for 2012 before the period when the Parliament announce the day. Ruto,VP Kalonzo Musyoka,and Uhuru Kenyatta formed the tribal party namely KKK to make the three tribe to be against 39 tribes of Kenya.What are they up to?
Ruto exposed himself to ICC as he has powers to shut them down in whichever way they may do to him.Ruto Uhuru and VP Kalonzo Musyoka rubbished the Ocampo’s warning of making joint sittings or meetings, or communications, because they have more money to make them to become the next Presidents of Kenya. I am sorry for the constituencies where the three leaders are representing in Parliament if the electorates believes in such leaders to be their leaders, then those areas are dead.
Those leaders following them to form their own party are wasting their chances because no one will agree with him in leadership. Let us watch and see the three.Their movements shows that they did something in the violence of 2007/08 Why to punic?
But the decision Luis Moreno-Ocampo has made on 14 July by naming Presdient al-Bashirand the Six Pev in Kenya makes history. The prosecutor is striking an immense blow for universal jurisdiction. He is seeking to demonstrate that no one can enjoy impunity for Committing genocide and go away with it.
When Mutua, Kagwanja, Kiraitu, Kalonzo and other merchants of impunity refer to the “Government” or “the State” or “Kenya;” what do they mean? Do they have documents proving that the crimes were authorized by the Government and who authorized them? If so, why don’t they adduce the same to the ICC?
Those are astonishing claims considering that the individuals making them are supposed to have read and understood the new Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution doesn’t say that a public servant facing criminal charges is entitled to have their defense paid for by the victims of their crimes.
There isn’t any legal or constitutional basis for anyone to argue that the legal fees of the Ocampo-Six should be paid for by the innocent victims of their crimes because the accused are indigent. Nor is Kalonzo’s comparison of the Ocampo-Six with a worker injured at work and entitled to “workman’s compensation” honest or proper. Even if the comparison were correct – which it is not – compensation is never paid both to the injured worker and the employer. In law, a perpetrator cannot be treated as a victim or be entitled to compensation.
Apart from Joshua Sang, all the five accused persons are fabulously wealthy -but please don’t ask me the sources of their wealth. Moreover, the ICC has a legal defense fund for those of modest means. All they need to do is establish that they are persons of modest means. It’s possible that those defending the Ocampo-Six know that the ICC has tracked all their assets here and abroad, hence proving their indigence might prove impossible.
We need to remind the VP and others that mass murder; mass rape; and mass displacements of innocent Kenyans are not and cannot be construed – even by sadists – as “working on behalf of the country.”
The thousands of Kenyans that were shot in the back by security forces or hacked to death by militias didn’t consent to their deaths.
Nor were those deaths authorized by law or the Civil Service Code. Mass murder, rape and displacements cannot be part of “the performance” of some “state duty.” Clearly, such ridiculous claims are public confessions that the crimes against humanity that were committed in Kenya between 2005 and 2009 were “officially sanctioned” by some known criminals.
The confessions aren’t news to Kenyans. What is spectacular news is the confession on those who allegedly gave the orders. The State or Government cannot defend the alleged masterminds of the crimes against humanity and victims at the same time. The State and the Government are supposed to defend innocent Kenyans – the victims – not alleged perpetrators.
The assertions by some of the Ocampo-Six and their defenders are shocking; they imply that the crimes against humanity were authorized from the very top as part of a (public duty to the victims).
When Mutua, Kagwanja, Kiraitu, Kalonzo and other merchants of impunity refer to the “Government” or “the State” or “Kenya;” what do they mean? Do they have documents proving that the crimes were authorized by the Government and who authorized them? If so, why don’t they adduce the same to the ICC?
Those are astonishing claims considering that the individuals making them are supposed to have read and understood the new Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution doesn’t say that a public servant facing criminal charges is entitled to have their defense paid for by the victims of their crimes.
There isn’t any legal or constitutional basis for anyone to argue that the legal fees of the Ocampo-Six should be paid for by the innocent victims of their crimes because the accused are indigent. Nor is Kalonzo’s comparison of the Ocampo-Six with a worker injured at work and entitled to “workman’s compensation” honest or proper. Even if the comparison were correct – which it is not – compensation is never paid both to the injured worker and the employer. In law, a perpetrator cannot be treated as a victim or be entitled to compensation.
Apart from Joshua Sang, all the five accused persons are fabulously wealthy -but please don’t ask me the sources of their wealth. Moreover, the ICC has a legal defense fund for those of modest means. All they need to do is establish that they are persons of modest means. It’s possible that those defending the Ocampo-Six know that the ICC has tracked all their assets here and abroad, hence proving their indigence might prove impossible.
We need to remind the VP and others that mass murder; mass rape; and mass displacements of innocent Kenyans are not and cannot be construed – even by sadists – as “working on behalf of the country.”
The thousands of Kenyans that were shot in the back by security forces or hacked to death by militias didn’t consent to their deaths.
Nor were those deaths authorized by law or the Civil Service Code. Mass murder, rape and displacements cannot be part of “the performance” of some “state duty.” Clearly, such ridiculous claims are public confessions that the crimes against humanity that were committed in Kenya between 2005 and 2009 were “officially sanctioned” by some known criminals.
The confessions aren’t news to Kenyans. What is spectacular news is the confession on those who allegedly gave the orders. The State or Government cannot defend the alleged masterminds of the crimes against humanity and victims at the same time. The State and the Government are supposed to defend innocent Kenyans – the victims – not alleged perpetrators.
The assertions by some of the Ocampo-Six and their defenders are shocking; they imply that the crimes against humanity were authorized from the very top as part of a “public duty to the victims.”
Since when did mass murder, rape and displacement become a public duty? This is an outrage! What is a State without its people? How can government officials who have publicly confessed to having killed, raped and displaced hundreds of thousands of innocent people they had a constitutional and moral duty to protect continue to occupy positions of power?
Millions of Kenyans – including the survivors – have repeatedly stated, in one opinion poll after another, that they want the most responsible perpetrators of the crimes against humanity to be tried at The Hague. Kenyans prefer the ICC because it is legitimate and independent. Anything constructed in Kenya – be it a unit of the High Court or some fake “local tribunal” will not satisfy most Kenyans.
And while still at it, Kenyans must remind Mzalendo Kibunja who heads the National Cohesion and Reconciliation Commission that he is neither competent nor legally mandated to gauge the effects of indicting the Ocampo-Six.
It is very curious that rather than address the corrosive filth the KKK squad is spewing on Kenyans, he has joined them in their quest to cause despondency and unnecessary fear.
The NCRC under Kibunja has miserably failed to deal with those propagating hate speech and ethnic conflict. More than two months ago, Kibunja undertook to release a report on the ethnic composition of the government ministries, state corporations and national universities in Kenya. As I stated shortly after he made that undertaking, he must have discovered facts and evidence he would rather hide. That’s not very disappointing for a man whom we had never had of prior to his elevation.
But even as the merchants of impunity shout themselves hoarse about “defending the Ocampo-Six,” they need to explain to Kenyans how many cases of the PEV have been conclusively and credibly investigated.
How will they prove to the ICC that there are significant material changes to the circumstances when not one case has been investigated?
We must remind the merchants of impunity that the appointment of the new CJ, AG, Deputy CJ, the DPP or even reforming the judiciary, will never constitute a complete overhaul of the justice system. The judiciary only deals with cases presented to it. As long as we haven’t reformed the police and created a credible, efficient and effective prosecutorial institution; the judiciary will remain ineffective.
1) Upon appointment as Veep, Kalonzo’s number one focus was to get his trouble-shooter Mutula Kilonzo into cabinet and into the ongoing NARA mediation. A then besieged Mwai Kibaki quickly accented to Kalonzo’s requests on both fronts.
2) During the NARA mediation talks, in Jan – Feb 2008, Mutula Kilonzo’s primary focus was to engineer the establishment of the Commission to Investigate Post Election Violence – CIPEV. CIPEV later became known as the Waki Commission.
3) Besides moral and justice reasons, it is anyone’s guess why Mutula felt CIPEV was politically prudent. CIPEV is actually what has gotten Ruto and Uhuru where they are currently. Mutula has fully capitalized on the PEV to keep in check potential PNU competitors of Kalonzo = Uhuru & Ruto.
4) To be sure, Mutula steered none other than his own first cousin Justice Philip Waki to Chair the CIPEV Commission – hence the name, Waki Commission. Kalonzo Musyoka got his desired political end-game while Kenyans cheered for Justice.
5) It is the Waki Commission that sought and got hold of ‘evidence’ of both Uhuru and Ruto’s involvement in PEV. It is the same Commission that pointed out Uhuru’s dalliance with Mungiki at State House; and Ruto’s involvement with youth militias.
6) It is the same Waki Commission that recommended setting up a Western-style local tribunal (with foreign Judges, no immunity for President, & no possibility of pardons to convicts) by a fixed deadline of March 1st, 2009,
7) It is the same Waki Commission that directed that should there be no local tribunal by then, Justice Waki himself would hand over a secret envelope with suspects’ names to Kofi Annan for onward transmission to the ICC.
8) That is precisely where the journey to ICC began. A process sequentially engineered by Kalonzo Musyoka, acting through Mutula Kilonzo and Justice Philip Waki.
9) Whenever this Waki Commission script has threatened to derail, Mutula Kilonzo has often come out fighting to ensure it follows through to the dot. When the local tribunal bill was defeated by the combined Uhuru and Ruto legislative forces, an angry Mutula lashed out at Kibaki and Raila for “failing in leadership”. But good news for him, his cousin Waki had fixed the back-up plan heading to ICC.
10) Again, it was Waki who pompously handed over Uhuru and Ruto’s name to Kofi Annan in a well publicized event – for onward transmission to ICC Prosecutor, Louis Moreno Ocampo.
11) To ensure Kenya’s official binding to the ICC, Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo followed through by signing bilateral pacts (both at the Hague and in Nairobi), committing the government of Kenya into cooperation with the ICC. Mutula was a gracious host who even took his visitor Ocampo to enjoy a scene of Kenya’s nature and wildlife.
12) There has been no better defender of the ICC process, in and out of Parliament, than Mutula Kilonzo. His hawkish vigilance has rebuffed any attempts to derail or pull out of the ICC process that he initiated. Here is how he summed it up a couple of days ago- “ the on-going push to shield the ICC suspects is a combination of politics, money, genuine fear and a lot of ignorance.”
13) While the hyena in sheep skin (Kalonzo) uses his ‘sharp teeth’ (Mutula) to bite Uhuru and Ruto, in the open he clings to them blowing the cool air of ‘solidarity’ and ‘prayers.’
The hyena thought he was just about to harvest Uhuru and Ruto’s steak. Looks like the latter are not buying the pretence anymore.
In really sense about the Kenyan six to face ICC Hague case, Kenyans can prove something there than Hague itself.The question is asked by whoever sees what is happening in our Government.
If our Government is clean, why not to hand over the six mentioned to go and answer the questions in Hague? Who has sent the VP Kalonzo Musyoka to spend taxpayers money flying here and there trying to stop ICC not to procede with its duties in Kenya? Who chaired the Cabinet which passed the vote to withdraw from Rome Statute Laws? Why the Government to meet expenses of the Criminals? Those are the signs showing us the true picture of the Crime.
The Standard Group Media House to be demolished by Government, has some contradictory stories there.To say the truth of the matter is that it is very painful to repeat to build a such Building if it is destroyed,even if it is compensated. The Standard Group is my favorite Media I like among others. That is point number one.
Point number two; If you look in to the whole issue and listen to what is being said and comprare with the previous actions and signs, the you close one of your eye left and look at it and again you close the right eye and look with the other one and then with both eyes, you can see something moving around with a questionable question.Hon.John Michuki and un named group might have played a roll there.That is what my eyes can see.
The Kenyan story of ICC Court vs the named six people is an open case. Waki Commission named individuals to be asked questions by the ICC Court at Hague. Kenyans were asked to form their Court to prosecute their people but they failled to agree and allowed ICC to prosecute the perpetrators. Waki Commission did not mention the Government to go to Hague but individuals. Now how do entire Government comes in that case if it didn’t authorise the individuals to act on that offence? The locals Kenyans and the Victims of the event and the Internationals Nations are watching to see what the President Kibaki and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka are doing to engage the entire Government to look like?
Why to withdraw from ICC Rome Statute Laws of which they signed on as a Government to cooperate with ICC to hand over whoever will be mentioned? Do we have a stable Government or a fake Government which changes like wind? Those are the questions we should ask Kibaki as the President of Kenya.
Now the ICC official is in Kenya just to be handed over the six individuals not the Government,if not so Kibaki should be taken to Hague to answer the questions of the six mentioned were to be asked? It is simple as that,otherwise the Kibaki team did authorise the six to act and should face the case.
Kibaki is an elected leader and another person will be elected to lead, therefore he should not play with Kenyans electorates’minds. Kenya is for Kenyans not for individuals or tribe.Leaders must know that. No more impunity to remain in Kenyans people.
Congratulations Mr Ngatia for your courageous speech..If only politicians in Kenya thought and acted like that..With loyality and passion for their country Kenya would be a paradise..surely why should poor Kenyans be subjected to pay for these Politicians? Kenyans are not puppets, but people with understanding and common sense..
The Kenyan ICC Ocampo’s case has proved to us that Kibaki is the one who authorised the chaos to be in the Country.If not so Why is he holding on the six mentioned by Waki Commission report through Ocampo? He may be worried because they will name him at Hague.If he pulls out from ICC then it means he want Kenyans to prepare for Civil War.
Everything was planned at state -houseand Muthaura was taking the minutes ,and for mr Ocampo naming Muthaura that means he is naming Kibaki on the other hand whatever was said discussed at state-hose is in the tapes hence wire tappings (eavesdrops) etcso the ceacer (kaiser is left stark naked.
What a shame that Amos Wako is seeking taxpayers’ money to finance the legal expenses of Francis Muthaura and Ali, the former police boss.Mr. Ngatia continue telling the truth.
Attorney-General Amos Wako has written to Treasury requesting funds for the legal defence of two of the six Ocampo suspects.
Nation sources said that the decision to pay the legal costs for Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura and Postmaster-General Hussein Ali was allegedly reached at a Cabinet meeting in December last year.
The Nation has not seen a copy of the letter and Mr Wako could not be reached for comment but the sources, who are privy to Cabinet proceedings, said Mr Wako’s letter was dated December 29.
Opinion in government is sharply divided with some opposed to the use of public funds for the defence of criminal matters and others arguing that Civil Service regulations obligate the government to do so.
On Thursday, Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Mutula Kilonzo opposed the use of taxpayers’ money arguing that the two officials are being sued in their private capacities.
“They are being sought in their individual capacities and therefore cannot expect to get legal representation at the taxpayers’ expense,” he said.
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Am glad Mutula Kilonzo is a born again judicial reformist who lately gives leadership on legal matters.I support him for disagreeing with Alfred Mutua and Amos Wako when it comes to using public money to support Muthaura’s and Ali’s ICC case.The ICC provides money to those that are unable to meet their defence expenses so I wonder why the poor Kenyan taxpayer should be tortured into paying for these hyenas.Glad also that Martha Karua is telling them the truth. Legal fees are paid by the ICC so hiyo nyingine ni takataka ya kumwibia mlipa ushuru!!!!!Now the MPs are roaming all over Africa seeking support to pull out of the ICC.Alfred Mutua is an asshooooole!
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The six Kenyans mentioned by Waki Commission report through Moreno Ocampo to face ICC Hague Case are now open to reveal the perpetrators of violence of 2007/08. Mutula is right to come out from those planning to withdraw from Rome Statute Law.Wako as a Government Adviser has failed the Country’s fame.Now even a fool can know that Government participated in killings. How can Kibaki shield Muthaura and Ali? Were they instructed by Government to act that offence or are they who planned for Kibaki to be Sworn in at night without all Kenyans witnessing at Uhuru Park at day time as usual? Is Kibaki worried to be named by the six or what is his roll to involve the Government to pay for their legal fees? Those are the questions we are asking to be told.Let the ICC prove them innocence, but not MPs and Government, unless you are part of them.
Ngatia YOU ARE COURAGEOUS!! Keep it up man… You are the kind of Kenyans we need… if only 15% of Kenyans were like you, then Kenya would be VERY DIFFERENT….
Six must go to ICC we know kenya can prosecute those suspect.But it what to show the world Africans can solve their problems if left alone. that is right to me but dont forget we know that kenya is failare state coz if mps could me left vote they could disband it.
This woman was gangraped by criminals sent by Uhuru Kenyatta to force them to free from gema-land>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk46hp2MWbQ&feature=player_embedded#!
Mr Lois Moreno Ocampo has done a very credible job and let us not forget everything happened in Kenya crisis is well documented through Videos cameras etc Muthaura and ali will spill the beans let them appear in Hague court and the end of the day the Big oldman sitting in State-House will curse the day he joined kenya dirty politics!
First of all I thank you Okoth Osewe, Maina Kiai and Martin Ngatia to come up with awareness in our society in Kenya. Kenyans in Colonial ara were very friendly peaceful people we worked together as Kenyans even Ugandans,Tanzanians when it was called Tanganyika in East Africa by then we were very good people in relationship,and people were identified by their tribes and no one questioned why you are in this tribe In all these Countries have tribes. In Uganda you can hear Mutoro,Munyangole, Mugisu,etc. In Kenya Mukamba, Mujaluo, Muluhyia,Mukikuyu, Mumaasai,Mukalenjin,etc.In Tanzania, Munyamwezi,Musuba,Mu-Zanzibar, Musanaki,etc. We did not have problems with tribes because no one chose to be born in any tribe but you find yourself that you were born in one of those tribes what will you do?
Where can you take those tribes away? I have repeatedly written in my comments in every paper Locally and Internationally saying the problems we have in Kenya is Land issue which was started by the first President Jomo Kenyatta, then President Daniel arap Moi who followed in the form of Nyayo, Nyayo means to follow where the first one was going and do the same. Now President Mwai Kibaki cheated Kenyans that he will change the whole system in to good transparent way but he changed to be the most champion of all types of cleverness for looting the Country and allowed his Ministers to follow suit and then kept quiet so that the foolish Kenyans and International bodies should not blame him. Whom was he cheating? IMF and World Bank to tell them that our Economy is now growing very first, and yet the money from those bodies to settle IDPs were being pocketed by individuals in the Government? Is that not the highest Corruption in the World? Turkanas are dying of hunger in Northern Kenya but leaders are pocketing money to prepare for 2012 election.How can you call such leaders to be?
I said several times that to solve the Kenyans problems is to identify the tribes and respect each other, being from Western,Nyanza,Rift Valley, Central, Coast, North Eastern,Eastern and Nairobians so that one can be free to welcome his or her friend from a such region. That will bring peaceful life in Kenya than an imposition of peace where there is no peace. When we talk about Majimbo some people translate it to be chaos and yet there is already chaos. What is the differences between Majimbo and Provinces? If you ask me that are you from Western Province,can I be ashame of that? Who left his Province and interfered with other Provinces? That is what I call “Imposition” to put or mix people together when you very well know that we defer in culture and customs but we are all Kenyans.Has anybody came from North Eastern to fight with some one from Western Province? No, we welcome all friends from any part of Kenya. Now how many tribes are operating Business in Central Province? Some one somewhere should do that research and tell Kenyans the truth. Why Central Province does not want any one from other region to do Business in their region? Is that tribalism or how can we call it?
Now the ICC Hague case of six mentioned, should face the case and Hague will prove them innocence or guilty or else the whole World will know that Kibaki authorised them to do that action of killing the innocence people.Waki commission report did mentioned the individuals to answer the question, now how can the entire Government and Cabinet shield the two and yet by the time of that violence every body was in election except the electoral Commission was the only body to deal with election.Why Kibaki is not cooperating with ICC to fire those mentioned as individuals? Why Muthaura and Ali? What did he Kibaki know about them as individuals? Ocampo should not waste time waiting the Government to help, but should get summons as soon as possible and take those mentioned to ICC Hague.The pictures of those women we are seeing complaining who will safe them if Ocampo can not act quickly? Those MPs who are trying to block are one of those mentioned and Ocampo should deal with the first lot and then we shall know the rest.
In general views for Kenyans as a country, we should not waste time talking about Ocampo and ICC Hague case,and MPs or Muthaura and Ali and others but it is a time to ask ourselves why the President Chaired a meeting in State House where the second command was assigned to target other tribes after the Eldoret incident? Why is he putting the entire Government to pay the legal frees to the mentioned two out of the six people? He should sack the immediately without wasting people time, or he can avail himself to go to Hague to answer the questions. We don’t want to hear from people like Alfred Mutua or Wako to take Kenyans around like there is no any thinkers in Kenya?
When we watch the pictures which were taken by the observers of election live by then, all Kenyans must say No to Kibaki’s roll and let him cooperate with Hague ICC Ocampo’s agrrement. People died, people were displaced lost their properties and after three years nothing has been done for them but to hide money outside of Kenya by individuals waiting for another incident in 2012 election. Are Kenyans seeing or they have been blinded by corruption. The Government should be taken to Hague because it knows very well what it did. Right now there is nothing in a new constitution when the same people are infront to implement it.How can you implement yourself? Don’t be fooled by empty words of hope. The present Parliament is being run by the same killers.So dont expect any changes untill these group goes out from power.
If the Government is not carering for the victims of the event then let it take them back to their lands then we can know that it can solve the problems by itself.Otherwise we don’t want any violence again. We don’t have some thing called Courts in Kenya.My comment is the six should go to Hague without any delaying tactics we know.
Watch those thugs who has kept Kenyans in darkness and death ,how they are planning to hijack presidency come 2012 http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000026887&cid=4&
In Kenya the Majimbo Government will end all these nonsense we are having now. Whoever says Majimbo are going to devide Kenyans is a fool,I mean totally a fool ten times. Why am I saying all these harsh words?
1. Kenya had Majimbo from the beginning in Colonial ara and after Independence namely Provinces with defferent 42 tribes. Is that true or not true?
2. After Independence we named them as
follows;
(1) Western Province for Luhya and Teso
tribes,Is that true or not true?
(2) Nyanza Province for Luo and Kisii,
Kuria tribes,Is that true or not true?
(3) Rift Valley Province for Kalenjins and
Maasai tribes, Is that true or not true?
(4) Central Province for Kikuyus tribe alone,
Is that true or not true?
(5) Coast Province for Swahili mixed up
with Arabs tribes, Is that true or not
true?
(6) Eastern Province for Akamba tribe,
Is that true or not true?
(7) North Eastern Province for Kenyan Somalis
and Borana tribes,Is that true or not
true?
(8) Amendment of Cosmopolitan for Nairobian
tribes,Is that true or not true?
Those are the tribes of Kenyans known Locally and Internationally even in the Maps of the World.Now Which tribes are people talking about to destroy Kenyans,In which area do they come from? We did not have any quarrel with one another in those Provinces for many years or for any reason or fighting for Lands except to check the boundaries surrounding Kenya. Then the question is this;
Who changed our good relationship of tribes in Kenya? Answer is Jomo Kenyatta,Why to crape Lands every where.Why should a Province talk about another Province which it does not belong to?
If there is any quarrel it should be for clans within its Province but not outside its region. Are the learned friends who calls themselves Professors of Laws see this point or deny this in Kenyan laws? Is this truth or lies? Why should we keep on singing peace which will never be there to our children for coming generations? Why to put them in darkness without telling them the truth of the matter about the tribal standard in Kenya. Can you change me not to be a Luhya or a Luo or Kikuyu of which language is spoken in every office in Kenya than the National language Swahili? What are you showing us to understand or know? Who is a fool in Kenya to be blinded by blanket peace? Amend the Land issue to go by Majimbo (Provinces) in this new Constitution to be the first thing when the MPs start to implement the New Constitution in Majimboism Government,otherwise you are sharpenning the sword which will eliminate the Nation of Kenya. Believe me or don’t believe me but some of you will seek refugee out side Kenya.My comments should be noted as prophecy to come. Any leader in Kenya should note it down or ignore it as a useless thing.This prophecy does not need any translation whether you pray in toungs or not or you talk to Angels of Heaven in any denomination you may belong to, but this is Peter L.Akhonya’s prophecy as well as Comments to happen soon in Kenya if you don’t enact Majimbo in your Laws in the new Constitution.To plan for 2012 is for villages but not for Presidency of Kenya.One day God will save Kenyans.
Jeff Koinange still defending Uhuru Kenyatta by building conspiracy theories:¨
There is one question Kenyans should ask; Where was the Professors of Research in Political Sciences or any laws when Kenya was burning in 2007/08 violence to stop what Ocampo is now doing in Kenya?
Who calmed the situation? Kenyans or International bodies when people were being killed on the streets,homes burned, some displaced up to this moment,and yet Kenyan Government was there to solve itself? Did it manage to stop the violence? How many people died and how many are still displaced at this moment while the Government is in power?
Why should Kenyans listen to Professors who teach Theory but not Practical lives of people? Who suffered in those violence of 2007/08? Did it happen or it did not? What made Koffi Annan to come to Kenya, and to do what? Where did Koffi Annan came from? Where were Kenyans to solve that problems itself? Those are the simple questions people should ask those leaders going around to pull out from ICC or may be no body died during that time and 2012 will be ok?
Those people defending those mentioned are playing money games because they don’t care about the plight of those who suffered and those who lost their lives.To them they don’t see any wrongs done, but are eyeing the 2012 election to be Presidents only.
I have a hidden painful truth which I want Uhuru Kenyatta to know and should ask Kenyans to forgive him all evils which his father might have done to Kenyans so that he can ask them about his intention of being in leadership otherwise he is campaigning to be the Kikuyu leader but not Kenyans President.That is my hidden truth I wanted to tell Uhuru Kenyatta and his supporters to know and note it down.
When Kenya Government agreed to sign on International ICC Rome Statute Laws, it had checked itself to be on International level, and the Learned Friends (Lawyers) were there to read the contents therein Amos Wako the Government Adviser was there and all shook their heads to show that it was right for Kenya to be on that level Internationally. Now foolishly enough the same learned friends are shooking the same heads which studied the Rome Statute Law to be now wrong? How much loughable International and Locals can lough? Do you want people to break their lungs and rips in loughing your foolishness? I am here already loughing those corrupt heads changing to what they did.Ashame to them.
Kenya is on the International level because it get aids from IMF & World Bank for its operations. Is that true or not true? To withdraw from International body because you want to steal money and remain in impunity and dynasty plus corruption will not work simply because Kenyans have now known their enemy No.1 in leadership of Kenya.
The way President and his team are showing the World is that the Government knew what it did and is feeling to be guilty. Otherwise The Government should show the World by sacking the mentioned six and cooperate with ICC to do its work,and from there we shall know that Kenya is now mature to be on International level standard,if not so then we are facing destruction wnere the rich and poor will all be consumed in the same Hell.
Jeff Koinages’s attempt to coin a conspiracy theory on ICC and Ocampo is absolute hogwash because Kenya had an option of setting up a local tribunal and failed. ICC was a Court of last resort and only became problematic when six suspects were named.
Breaking Good news from THE HAGUE>http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1092114/-/11ffwpvz/-/index.html
Ocampo is not asleep!He has invited murderes ,rapist and arsonists to write statements in Hague>http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ocampo%20invites%20three%20to%20The%20Hague%20/-/1064/1092016/-/joa4f8z/-/index.html
A good leader listen to what people says about him. Jesus asked his disciples to go and hear what people are talking or saying about him and his dealings. William Ruto has failed in his dealings. Ruto instead of playing a low profile, he chose to use forces because there is a saying that says money speaks, Yes money can speak and make you climb up on top of the mountain, and the same money can make you fall from the mountain.So money is a two edged sword which cuts both sides.
Ruto was in ODM Party as Deputy Chairman and knew very well how the votes were stollen, and knew that Raila was not the President to give everything to all of his members.Fortunately Raila worked hard to appoint him in the very Big Ministry of Agriculture which feeds the entire country with food, but still claimed that he had nothing from ODM and yet he earns his living from the same ODM that is point number 1.
Ruto ignored the party rules and became disobedient and started his own ways and made divisions in the party. Ruto started campaigning for 2012 before the period when the Parliament announce the day. Ruto,VP Kalonzo Musyoka,and Uhuru Kenyatta formed the tribal party namely KKK to make the three tribe to be against 39 tribes of Kenya.What are they up to?
Ruto exposed himself to ICC as he has powers to shut them down in whichever way they may do to him.Ruto Uhuru and VP Kalonzo Musyoka rubbished the Ocampo’s warning of making joint sittings or meetings, or communications, because they have more money to make them to become the next Presidents of Kenya. I am sorry for the constituencies where the three leaders are representing in Parliament if the electorates believes in such leaders to be their leaders, then those areas are dead.
Those leaders following them to form their own party are wasting their chances because no one will agree with him in leadership. Let us watch and see the three.Their movements shows that they did something in the violence of 2007/08 Why to punic?
But the decision Luis Moreno-Ocampo has made on 14 July by naming Presdient al-Bashirand the Six Pev in Kenya makes history. The prosecutor is striking an immense blow for universal jurisdiction. He is seeking to demonstrate that no one can enjoy impunity for Committing genocide and go away with it.
When Mutua, Kagwanja, Kiraitu, Kalonzo and other merchants of impunity refer to the “Government” or “the State” or “Kenya;” what do they mean? Do they have documents proving that the crimes were authorized by the Government and who authorized them? If so, why don’t they adduce the same to the ICC?
Those are astonishing claims considering that the individuals making them are supposed to have read and understood the new Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution doesn’t say that a public servant facing criminal charges is entitled to have their defense paid for by the victims of their crimes.
There isn’t any legal or constitutional basis for anyone to argue that the legal fees of the Ocampo-Six should be paid for by the innocent victims of their crimes because the accused are indigent. Nor is Kalonzo’s comparison of the Ocampo-Six with a worker injured at work and entitled to “workman’s compensation” honest or proper. Even if the comparison were correct – which it is not – compensation is never paid both to the injured worker and the employer. In law, a perpetrator cannot be treated as a victim or be entitled to compensation.
Apart from Joshua Sang, all the five accused persons are fabulously wealthy -but please don’t ask me the sources of their wealth. Moreover, the ICC has a legal defense fund for those of modest means. All they need to do is establish that they are persons of modest means. It’s possible that those defending the Ocampo-Six know that the ICC has tracked all their assets here and abroad, hence proving their indigence might prove impossible.
We need to remind the VP and others that mass murder; mass rape; and mass displacements of innocent Kenyans are not and cannot be construed – even by sadists – as “working on behalf of the country.”
The thousands of Kenyans that were shot in the back by security forces or hacked to death by militias didn’t consent to their deaths.
Nor were those deaths authorized by law or the Civil Service Code. Mass murder, rape and displacements cannot be part of “the performance” of some “state duty.” Clearly, such ridiculous claims are public confessions that the crimes against humanity that were committed in Kenya between 2005 and 2009 were “officially sanctioned” by some known criminals.
The confessions aren’t news to Kenyans. What is spectacular news is the confession on those who allegedly gave the orders. The State or Government cannot defend the alleged masterminds of the crimes against humanity and victims at the same time. The State and the Government are supposed to defend innocent Kenyans – the victims – not alleged perpetrators.
The assertions by some of the Ocampo-Six and their defenders are shocking; they imply that the crimes against humanity were authorized from the very top as part of a (public duty to the victims).
When Mutua, Kagwanja, Kiraitu, Kalonzo and other merchants of impunity refer to the “Government” or “the State” or “Kenya;” what do they mean? Do they have documents proving that the crimes were authorized by the Government and who authorized them? If so, why don’t they adduce the same to the ICC?
Those are astonishing claims considering that the individuals making them are supposed to have read and understood the new Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution doesn’t say that a public servant facing criminal charges is entitled to have their defense paid for by the victims of their crimes.
There isn’t any legal or constitutional basis for anyone to argue that the legal fees of the Ocampo-Six should be paid for by the innocent victims of their crimes because the accused are indigent. Nor is Kalonzo’s comparison of the Ocampo-Six with a worker injured at work and entitled to “workman’s compensation” honest or proper. Even if the comparison were correct – which it is not – compensation is never paid both to the injured worker and the employer. In law, a perpetrator cannot be treated as a victim or be entitled to compensation.
Apart from Joshua Sang, all the five accused persons are fabulously wealthy -but please don’t ask me the sources of their wealth. Moreover, the ICC has a legal defense fund for those of modest means. All they need to do is establish that they are persons of modest means. It’s possible that those defending the Ocampo-Six know that the ICC has tracked all their assets here and abroad, hence proving their indigence might prove impossible.
We need to remind the VP and others that mass murder; mass rape; and mass displacements of innocent Kenyans are not and cannot be construed – even by sadists – as “working on behalf of the country.”
The thousands of Kenyans that were shot in the back by security forces or hacked to death by militias didn’t consent to their deaths.
Nor were those deaths authorized by law or the Civil Service Code. Mass murder, rape and displacements cannot be part of “the performance” of some “state duty.” Clearly, such ridiculous claims are public confessions that the crimes against humanity that were committed in Kenya between 2005 and 2009 were “officially sanctioned” by some known criminals.
The confessions aren’t news to Kenyans. What is spectacular news is the confession on those who allegedly gave the orders. The State or Government cannot defend the alleged masterminds of the crimes against humanity and victims at the same time. The State and the Government are supposed to defend innocent Kenyans – the victims – not alleged perpetrators.
The assertions by some of the Ocampo-Six and their defenders are shocking; they imply that the crimes against humanity were authorized from the very top as part of a “public duty to the victims.”
Since when did mass murder, rape and displacement become a public duty? This is an outrage! What is a State without its people? How can government officials who have publicly confessed to having killed, raped and displaced hundreds of thousands of innocent people they had a constitutional and moral duty to protect continue to occupy positions of power?
Millions of Kenyans – including the survivors – have repeatedly stated, in one opinion poll after another, that they want the most responsible perpetrators of the crimes against humanity to be tried at The Hague. Kenyans prefer the ICC because it is legitimate and independent. Anything constructed in Kenya – be it a unit of the High Court or some fake “local tribunal” will not satisfy most Kenyans.
And while still at it, Kenyans must remind Mzalendo Kibunja who heads the National Cohesion and Reconciliation Commission that he is neither competent nor legally mandated to gauge the effects of indicting the Ocampo-Six.
It is very curious that rather than address the corrosive filth the KKK squad is spewing on Kenyans, he has joined them in their quest to cause despondency and unnecessary fear.
The NCRC under Kibunja has miserably failed to deal with those propagating hate speech and ethnic conflict. More than two months ago, Kibunja undertook to release a report on the ethnic composition of the government ministries, state corporations and national universities in Kenya. As I stated shortly after he made that undertaking, he must have discovered facts and evidence he would rather hide. That’s not very disappointing for a man whom we had never had of prior to his elevation.
But even as the merchants of impunity shout themselves hoarse about “defending the Ocampo-Six,” they need to explain to Kenyans how many cases of the PEV have been conclusively and credibly investigated.
How will they prove to the ICC that there are significant material changes to the circumstances when not one case has been investigated?
We must remind the merchants of impunity that the appointment of the new CJ, AG, Deputy CJ, the DPP or even reforming the judiciary, will never constitute a complete overhaul of the justice system. The judiciary only deals with cases presented to it. As long as we haven’t reformed the police and created a credible, efficient and effective prosecutorial institution; the judiciary will remain ineffective.
watch this one Ruto contept of the Hague >compare it and what Ruto is talking today>
1) Upon appointment as Veep, Kalonzo’s number one focus was to get his trouble-shooter Mutula Kilonzo into cabinet and into the ongoing NARA mediation. A then besieged Mwai Kibaki quickly accented to Kalonzo’s requests on both fronts.
2) During the NARA mediation talks, in Jan – Feb 2008, Mutula Kilonzo’s primary focus was to engineer the establishment of the Commission to Investigate Post Election Violence – CIPEV. CIPEV later became known as the Waki Commission.
3) Besides moral and justice reasons, it is anyone’s guess why Mutula felt CIPEV was politically prudent. CIPEV is actually what has gotten Ruto and Uhuru where they are currently. Mutula has fully capitalized on the PEV to keep in check potential PNU competitors of Kalonzo = Uhuru & Ruto.
4) To be sure, Mutula steered none other than his own first cousin Justice Philip Waki to Chair the CIPEV Commission – hence the name, Waki Commission. Kalonzo Musyoka got his desired political end-game while Kenyans cheered for Justice.
5) It is the Waki Commission that sought and got hold of ‘evidence’ of both Uhuru and Ruto’s involvement in PEV. It is the same Commission that pointed out Uhuru’s dalliance with Mungiki at State House; and Ruto’s involvement with youth militias.
6) It is the same Waki Commission that recommended setting up a Western-style local tribunal (with foreign Judges, no immunity for President, & no possibility of pardons to convicts) by a fixed deadline of March 1st, 2009,
7) It is the same Waki Commission that directed that should there be no local tribunal by then, Justice Waki himself would hand over a secret envelope with suspects’ names to Kofi Annan for onward transmission to the ICC.
8) That is precisely where the journey to ICC began. A process sequentially engineered by Kalonzo Musyoka, acting through Mutula Kilonzo and Justice Philip Waki.
9) Whenever this Waki Commission script has threatened to derail, Mutula Kilonzo has often come out fighting to ensure it follows through to the dot. When the local tribunal bill was defeated by the combined Uhuru and Ruto legislative forces, an angry Mutula lashed out at Kibaki and Raila for “failing in leadership”. But good news for him, his cousin Waki had fixed the back-up plan heading to ICC.
10) Again, it was Waki who pompously handed over Uhuru and Ruto’s name to Kofi Annan in a well publicized event – for onward transmission to ICC Prosecutor, Louis Moreno Ocampo.
11) To ensure Kenya’s official binding to the ICC, Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo followed through by signing bilateral pacts (both at the Hague and in Nairobi), committing the government of Kenya into cooperation with the ICC. Mutula was a gracious host who even took his visitor Ocampo to enjoy a scene of Kenya’s nature and wildlife.
12) There has been no better defender of the ICC process, in and out of Parliament, than Mutula Kilonzo. His hawkish vigilance has rebuffed any attempts to derail or pull out of the ICC process that he initiated. Here is how he summed it up a couple of days ago- “ the on-going push to shield the ICC suspects is a combination of politics, money, genuine fear and a lot of ignorance.”
13) While the hyena in sheep skin (Kalonzo) uses his ‘sharp teeth’ (Mutula) to bite Uhuru and Ruto, in the open he clings to them blowing the cool air of ‘solidarity’ and ‘prayers.’
The hyena thought he was just about to harvest Uhuru and Ruto’s steak. Looks like the latter are not buying the pretence anymore.
In really sense about the Kenyan six to face ICC Hague case, Kenyans can prove something there than Hague itself.The question is asked by whoever sees what is happening in our Government.
If our Government is clean, why not to hand over the six mentioned to go and answer the questions in Hague? Who has sent the VP Kalonzo Musyoka to spend taxpayers money flying here and there trying to stop ICC not to procede with its duties in Kenya? Who chaired the Cabinet which passed the vote to withdraw from Rome Statute Laws? Why the Government to meet expenses of the Criminals? Those are the signs showing us the true picture of the Crime.
Standard house in nairobi will be bull-dozed as a revage and and another way of silencing the mass-media (will the govt dare)? or it will threaten and frighten both local and foreign investors?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSzBdRWhBgg&feature=player_embedded
The Standard Group Media House to be demolished by Government, has some contradictory stories there.To say the truth of the matter is that it is very painful to repeat to build a such Building if it is destroyed,even if it is compensated. The Standard Group is my favorite Media I like among others. That is point number one.
Point number two; If you look in to the whole issue and listen to what is being said and comprare with the previous actions and signs, the you close one of your eye left and look at it and again you close the right eye and look with the other one and then with both eyes, you can see something moving around with a questionable question.Hon.John Michuki and un named group might have played a roll there.That is what my eyes can see.
ICC top official arrives in Kenyas Capital Nairobi to meet with the Both Prinicipals and the Arrest Minister for Internal Security Saitoti>Guess why >Ruto & Uhuru Must be Reminded that the People of Kenya has said End of Impunity in Kenya Must Come to an END!http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Top%20Hague%20official%20jets%20in%20Monday/-/1064/1094720/-/bwoans/-/index.html
The Kenyan story of ICC Court vs the named six people is an open case. Waki Commission named individuals to be asked questions by the ICC Court at Hague. Kenyans were asked to form their Court to prosecute their people but they failled to agree and allowed ICC to prosecute the perpetrators. Waki Commission did not mention the Government to go to Hague but individuals. Now how do entire Government comes in that case if it didn’t authorise the individuals to act on that offence? The locals Kenyans and the Victims of the event and the Internationals Nations are watching to see what the President Kibaki and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka are doing to engage the entire Government to look like?
Why to withdraw from ICC Rome Statute Laws of which they signed on as a Government to cooperate with ICC to hand over whoever will be mentioned? Do we have a stable Government or a fake Government which changes like wind? Those are the questions we should ask Kibaki as the President of Kenya.
Now the ICC official is in Kenya just to be handed over the six individuals not the Government,if not so Kibaki should be taken to Hague to answer the questions of the six mentioned were to be asked? It is simple as that,otherwise the Kibaki team did authorise the six to act and should face the case.
Kibaki is an elected leader and another person will be elected to lead, therefore he should not play with Kenyans electorates’minds. Kenya is for Kenyans not for individuals or tribe.Leaders must know that. No more impunity to remain in Kenyans people.
Congratulations Mr Ngatia for your courageous speech..If only politicians in Kenya thought and acted like that..With loyality and passion for their country Kenya would be a paradise..surely why should poor Kenyans be subjected to pay for these Politicians? Kenyans are not puppets, but people with understanding and common sense..